May 01

Kalu Rinpoche | Wisdom Dharma Chat – countering our fixation (Q&A1)

Q: So Rinpoche, I thought maybe we can start with this idea of “illusory body and mind”, right? So, when I think of “illusory body”, just start there, what should I think of, what does it mean that a body might be “illusory”?

A: First of all, I would like to say “Thank you for the Wisdom Publications and the Wisdom team and all of you for inviting me here and being here and spending your time. Thank you very much”.

Now getting to the point of what is the meaning of “illusory body”, I’m sure that the different Buddhist traditions have their own interpretation. But in the Niguma’s tradition, when we speak about the “illusory body and mind”, it is not so much to do with losing your grip with the reality. Many people they think that practicing “illusory body and mind” means little bit like losing the touch with the reality and then losing your mind and transmitting your consciousness to some high level of frequency or some sort. That is an incorrect perspective.

When we speak about the “illusory body and mind”, it means basically to counter our fixation of the mind. It is not so much to do with the delusional. It more to do with having full awareness in our mind and then countering our fixation of our own cycle of habit and then seeing our negative emotions and the positive emotions and our reality as it is. So that’s the core foundation.

And of course, in order to have that very profound level of realization and understanding, then there’s a different layer of visualization. Visualization is there not because you have already realized it, but different method of visualization is there so you can explore little bit, so you can discover little bit with greater depth and then you have more clear understanding as you go on.


Wisdom Dharma Chat | Kyabje Kalu Rinpoche – April 2024 (1′ 33”)
During this Wisdom Dharma Chat host Daniel Aitken and Rinpoche discuss his Wisdom Academy course Illusory Body and Mind, along with his new and upcoming Wisdom Academy course on Niguma’s dream yoga, and much more.